In the end, they rewarded Shawn with a First-place PAX finish in the CSP class and Third overall in RAW time. Shawn was extremely happy that he (well, his buddy Chris) bolted on a fresh set of Toyo Proxes RR tires because his car was faster on track immediately. According to Yokohama, the A052 is much better than its predecessor delivering superior overall performance in both wet and dry conditions. On the R888R, we won the CSP class and finished in the top-three overall at an autocross. Shawn, on the R888R, took First Place in the CSP class and then finished Third overall for the entire field, which is an impressive statistic. Thread starter Johnc172; Start date Oct 27, 2011; J. Johnc172 Cup Turbo, Flamer Oct 27, 2011 #1 I've been looking at some replacement track tyres as my R888s have only got a few days left in them, and as the price has gone up a fair bit, I started to look at others. Drivers who use the RR, and have Toyo Tires stickers on their car, can earn Toyo Bucks, which helps buy tires for the next event. That is a win! Right away, we could see Shawn’s mile per hour on corner exit was faster on the Toyo Proxes RR tires, indicating he was able to carry more speed into each corner thanks to the adhesion of the tires. The RR has a treadwear rating of 40, while the R888R has a treadwear rating of 100. Those four black donuts on your wheels are what translates everything you want to do with your car to the reality of the road. Video: Scaring Mom In A Lotus Exige Cup 430 At Cadwell Park! on baskets over £250. First up we decided to test the Toyo R888R, this is a track oriented tire and the successor to the R888 which was one of the most controversial tires in recent history. All of this fun thanks to Toyo Tires, and we earned some Toyo Bucks in the process because we had our requisite Toyo Tires decals on the Miata at the track. -adam. The BFG on the other hand was super crisp and easy place providing superhero confidence in the slalom. We'll send you raw engine tech articles, news, features, and videos every week from TURNology. Good news: Toyo Tires makes sticky tires. The results of the Toyo Proxes RR test was, “They were great.” Of course, Shawn thought they were great, they helped him get a Spec Miata trophy, and he earned Toyo Bucks for finishing in the top three. All rights reserved. In the end I would say the R888R is a awesome track weapon and I believe a step ahead of the ultra street tire class tires. “It started cold and wet and ended dry and warm, but the R888Rs kept me from having to switch tires. 330.00 EUR * … When temperatures get too hot for the tire, beyond 220-degrees Fahrenheit, then they can provide a slick feel. Would increasing the rims to 19" be the best option (only 1mm difference then)?- edit-Ignore this option as the r888 doesn't come in a 40 profile 19" Does anyone have ay experience / comments on the three types? More information on E.U labelling Editor's note- For more in depth conversation about David Whitener's background, and to be blown away by how much this guy, and his wife/team test setup/tires/etc, tune into SlipAngle Podcast, episode 112. Maximum Pressure: 50 pounds, Toyo describes the R888R (commonly referred to as the R-Triple 8-R) as a tire that “features an R-compound tread that quickly reaches operating temperature and provides high-grip levels for maximum cornering traction. Currently, it is the spec tire for NASA Camaro-Mustang Challenge, Honda Challenge, Spec E30, and Spec Miata. During the Spec Miata race main event, Shawn found the predictability of the tires allowed him to drive hard and consistent during the race. I'm also planning on doing 2 or 3 HPDE/track days this year. This year looks to be relatively stable with only a few new tire models hitting the market. The venue was the permanent autocross test course in Mineral Wells Texas. 165.00 EUR * Toyo Proxes R888R. The biggest difference between the tires was how well they worked cold. The 100 treadwear rating of the R888R is so soft; in fact, it isn’t legal to run in the SCCA Solo Street Class, which requires a 200 treadwear tire to compete. Next up we hit up Motorsports Ranch in Cresson Texas for a track test. 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It weighs 25 lbs, has a max load of 1477 lbs, a maximum air pressure of 51 psi, a tread depth of 6.3/32" and should be used on a rim width of 7.5-9". We slapped a set of new Toyo Proxes RRs on our Project CrossTime Miata and headed out onto the track at Memphis International Raceway (MIR) to run a NASA Spec Miata race. (Photo: Jane Absalom). As you can see the lap times are almost identical. And it’s that long warm up time that ultimately reminds us that the Toyo really isn’t designed for autocross. bonesX. The tread pattern on the Toyo Proxes R888R is built for maximum traction but it is also designed to help excurse water from under the tire to avoid hydroplaning. There is plenty of warning, which is nice.”. 142 months. DOT Legal: Yes (Lead Photo above: Jane Absalom. Date Published: 28 Jul 2018. More importantly the Toyo seemed to tolerate a good degree of slip angle and had moderately progressive break away (the main areas where the predecessor R888 were known to be weak). “I could feel the edge of adhesion approaching, so I always knew where the limit was. For both tires, Toyo recommends a negative camber setting of 1- to 3-degrees. When you are trying to improve your car’s performance, the first thing you should be looking at is the tires. Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD08R "Taking the best and making it better" ... Toyo Proxes R888R. We’ll start with the Yokohama AD08, as there are subtle differences between the two tyres, although at a glance you maybe wouldn’t notice. The Toyo Proxes RR is the go-to tire for road racing and has earned numerous championships. Track tests have shown these tires will be a bit slippery when cold, but the heat comes in quickly (within one lap) and then remains consistent. DOT Legal: Yes Treadwear: 40 A special focus has been put on grip and handling to further improve driving pleasure and efficiency. Tire Test! Run after run, Shawn began to trust the tires more and drive the car harder, which the tires seemed to appreciate. They lean a bit more towards the track. very different tread patterns, very different tires. Friday 12th August 2011. The only cars that were faster on course was a lighter Honda CRX and a Ford Fiesta ST, which we know from our other project car “The Way of the FiST” are always super-fast around autocross tracks, and a seasoned national Solo racer … Yokohama Advan A048 Tyre. The 235/45R17 Toyo Proxes R888R has a diameter of 25.4", a width of 9.3", mounts on a 17" rim and has 819 revolutions per mile. The tread compound is molded into an aggressive, asymmetric tread pattern with massive outboard shoulder blocks to provide the lateral grip needed when driving on the track.”. Then it will remain nice and sticky, allowing you to carry lots of speed through corners, and hopefully win some races. 205/45 R17. The Michelin Pilot Super Sport is probably the most important performance tire on sale today. All other photos: Shawn Brereton). Our test car was our own 1992 Miata is prepped for Solo STS competition consisting of basic bolt ons: header, intake, 800F/700R springs, sway bars, and of course my own custom Whitener Racing Shocks. We try out the ultimate street sport tyre from the ADVAN range! As Shawn was peddling the Miata around MIR, we were looking at data from his car live on the cloud via a Racepak Vantage CL1 data acquisition system in the vehicle. The second goal is to compare the Toyo to the latest breed of 200TW street tires. 205/50 R16. R888R Manufacturer Specifications And Recommendations. © 2017 Power Automedia. Yoko AD08 Vs Toyo R888. Track tire Recommendation - R888R vs RE71R I compete in autocross locally in A-Street Prepared, but have no plans to trailer tires and a set of Hoosiers (bro). Senior Manager of Motorsports at Toyo Tires, Marc Sanzenbacher, provided recommendations for tire pressure for the RR, “This tire likes to be between 32 and 38 pounds, hot.”. The RR tire is essentially a racing slick with two adjacent grooves in the tire to make it DOT compliant (a requirement for many racing sanctioning bodies). The key is to keep the tire inside its happy temperature range (between 160- to 220-degrees) during a race. It’s Official: The Iconic Toyota Supra Is Returning in, Ranger Road: Getting Veterans Into Endurance, Video: Scaring Mom In A Lotus Exige Cup 430 At Cadwell, Get The PerTronix Wiring Products You Need In Your, IDIDIT Performance’s New Steering Hubs Offer Easy Wheel, DEI Releases Motorcycle Leg Shields And Driver Heel, Street Legal Mario Kart! Wear rating of 140 vs the 180 of the non-R AD08. Treadwear Grade: 100 Traction Grade: AA Temperature Grade: A Wheel Diameter: 13-inches up to 20-inches Tire Width: 185 mm to 345 mm Sidewall Profile: 30 up to 60-series Optimal Tread Temperature: 160 degrees F to 220 degrees F Hot Inflation Pressure Range: 32 psi to 38 psi Camber: -1 degrees to -3 degrees There the track oriented R888R came to life offering prodigious grip. After a period of relative stability from 2009-2014 the most recent seasons have been quite disruptive with many new options out there for racers to choose. Weight (205/50R15): 20 pounds As the event continued and heat built up in the R888R, Shawn located more confidence in the tire and found it was doing what he wanted as he tossed the Miata around the cones and used as much grip in the tires as was available. A048s take longer to get up to temp, and the R888Rs seemed to be much more sensitive to tyre pressure. As the track day tire market has been relatively stable many track day guys have been questioning whether to buy something like the R888R or get one of the newest 200TW ultra street tires. He is a multi-national champion racing driver and is also the author of the novel, Cadet Blues. The ADVAN A052 is built on Yokohama’s new motorsports MS compound that provides extreme grip and fuel efficiency. Yokohama ADVAN A050 is a Japanese tyre ideal for hill climb, tarmac rallies, time attack, club sprints, gymkhana, circuit racing and other racing events. Saturday 24th May 2014. Rob Krider will race absolutely anything. It has a rounded rib on the outside that creates exceptional cornering capability and two deep grooves on the inside for straight line stability and increase wet traction. To compare lap times and tire performance during the test, we used a Racepak Vantage which provided data directly to a cellphone, and simultaneously to the cloud, where we could access and view it on a tablet in the paddock. Yokohama Advan A052. To correct ride height I had to raise the front suspension. I am booked in for new tyres on Monday and was hoping someone could share their experiences if they have tried/switched to the R888R's from the A048s. 3,297 posts. I have an R400k with 13" wheels and have always used CR500's and really like them, but appreciate tyre technology has moved on. Original Poster. Looking at going to 265/35 front and 295/30 rear. The Advan A052 will be available on the market from July 2016, in 16 sizes ranging from 16 to 18 inches. Toyo R888R, and Hankook RS4 vs BFGoodrich Rival-S 1.5, http://www.tiresdirect.net/Assets/Spec_Miata_setup.pdf. The ADVAN A052 is your race-ready, extreme performance summer tire that delivers physics-defying levels of grip, making a statement on the street and a standout on the track. One interesting note was the BFG was worse when dead cold but only needed a few turns to start working. Then let us introduce you to the Yokohama Advan Neova AD08 and AD08R tyres. The Hankook had a fair bit worse turn in and was harder to place the car. Weight (205/50R15): 20 pounds The tread is developed from the Yokohama Advan A051T. For wet conditions, you would want to switch to the Toyo Proxes RA1 or R888R, which we will discuss here shortly. These tires won’t surprise you with a sudden loss of traction. And that is a major factor for me because I know I will need more road course tires before the end of the season, and I can’t afford a second set for autocross, too. See all Proxes R888R tire sizes Write a Review I have tried a failed to find any reviews of the A048s v new R888Rs for the Exige. The Hankook was terminally pushy for the first half of each run where the BFG exhibited much milder push which only lasted for the first one or two turns. Original Poster. Not sure if it makes any difference TBH. At the first curve, Shawn found that the Toyo R888R didn’t have quite the same grip as the Toyo RR. Thanks to Track Tuned for hosting this and a big thanks to Texas Track Works for their expert mounting and balancing. For our tire test on our Project CrossTime Mazda Miata, we started at 26 pounds cold, knowing as the tire warmed up, the pressure would increase within the range (32 to 38 pounds) that Marc Sanzenbacher from Toyo recommended. 265/35 R19. In the slalom section, Shawn was able to mat the gas pedal to the floor and zig the Miata around the cones fearlessly thanks to the grip provided by the sticky R888R tire. 315 30 18 found in: Falken Azenis RT615K%2B 315/30-18 Tire, Toyo Proxes R888R 315/30-18 Tire, Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 315/30-18 Tire, Falken Azenis.. However, they do prefer them to be heat-cycled once and scuffed-in before racing use. However, some of that could be attributed to a damp autocross parking lot surface versus a dedicated road course. I use my car for fast blatting and do around 10 track days a year. When it comes to track duty, the Toyo Proxes RR has proven itself over and over again, bringing home wins for numerous race teams and many championships. The only cars that were faster on course was a lighter Honda CRX and a Ford Fiesta ST, which we know from our other project car “The Way of the FiST” are always super-fast around autocross tracks, and a seasoned national Solo racer drove this one. Shawn was again our test pilot driving his Miata. It was time for us to find out if any of that corporate jargon was true by slapping on a set of Triple-8Rs onto the Project CrossTime Miata and having Shawn Brereton hit the track again. At the end of each day of tire testing with the Toyo Proxes RR and the Toyo Proxes R888R, we were thrilled. 225 50 15 found in: Kumho Ecsta AST 225/50-15 Tire, Toyo Proxes R888R 225/50-15 Tire, Yokohama ADVAN A052 225/50-15 XL Tire, Toyo Proxes RA1 225/50-15.. The only question was, with the slick design of the RR, what would Shawn do should light rain be in the forecast? New. Many racers didn’t like the R888 and preferred the even older RA1 tire it was designed to replace. For comparison, the average daily-driver SUV is equipped from the factory with a tire rated at around 500 treadwear. Your views & opinions would be Developed for use in circuit, gymkhana events, the ADVAN A052 will come in 16 sizes, ranging from 16 inches to 18 inches. As this years racing season starts the tire wars rage on once again. They started sticking after the first couple of turns, and I was able to hammer on them after that. The R888R only has 225/45 which handles fine but lowers the nose of the car. This test was not sponsored in any way by any of the tire companies. The Racepak provided us live lap timing, g-forces, and miles per hour. Shawn was within two-tenths of a second per lap, which says a lot about him as a driver, and about the Toyo RR and its ability to be reliable. We wanted to test the Toyo Proxes R888R in a wet setting, so when the clouds darkened, we headed to an SCCA autocross to dodge some cones and see how the tires did. Semislick-Test: Nankang Sportnex AR-1 vs. Toyo R888R vs. Maxxis RC-1 Getestet wurde auf der 2,2 Kilometer langen Rennstrecke „Toronto Motorsports Park“ bei idealen Bedingungen um 14°C Außentemperatur. Maximum Pressure: 51 pounds, Toyo says these tires do not need to be shaved. Was £90.59 INC VAT. It’s not going to happen unless you have some very sticky tires. For our Toyo Proxes R888R test, we again used our Racepak Vantage to look at data, create track maps, and see the improved performance from the tires. Reply Prev of 2. As many racers are clamoring for any shred of information on how the Hankook performs I decided to throw together a quick and dirty 3 run autocross showdown between the Hankook RS4 and the BFG Rival-S 1.5. And fo those people who tried the old R888 and didn’t like it the new R888R is different enough to give Toyo another shot. With that in mind the first goal in testing new R888R was to see how it drives empirically, independent from the lap times. The ADVAN A052 will be the successor to the ADVAN A048, an ultimate street sport tyre. Grip. 285/30 R18. I don't want to fit ZZR's as they won't give me adequate grip in the wet. The Toyo Tire Proxes RR and Proxes R888R tests were both successful, picking up podium finishes in two different classes, and in two different types of races. We had planned a timed comparison between the two tires unfortunately mechanical issues with the car prevented that from taking place. “The conditions were crazy,” Shawn said. Grip performance is superior in wet or dry conditions. Have tried A048 & R888R - not much between them, apparently the R888R is a big improvement on the old R888. The Yokohama Advan A052 is a Trackday and Competition Summer tyre designed to be fitted to Passenger Car. Admittedly I never liked the R888, I tried it in a few different sizes on my road racing car and although I could run fast lap times I found it super tough to drive on. Toyo R888R, and Hankook RS4 vs BFGoodrich Rival-S 1.5 March 20, 2017 David Whitener Editor's note- For more in depth conversation about David Whitener's background, and to be blown away by how much this guy, and his wife/team test setup/tires/etc, tune into SlipAngle Podcast, episode 112. Treadwear: 100 As there is only so many hours in the day, we decided to restrict testing to the following: Dunlop Direzza DZ03G Yokohama ADVAN A052 Toyo R888R GG We went with the Dunlops as a lot of teams were using them in the TDT last year, the Toyos as they are the TDC control tyre, and the Yokohama were recommended to us as a relatively new design. Shawn ran super consistent and picked up a podium finish in Spec Miata while testing a fresh set of Toyo RRs. We promise not to use your email address for anything but exclusive updates from the Power Automedia Network. I think the beauty in this tire is it shows signs of lasting me the entire autocross season, unlike my dedicated 200 treadwear tires from last season. Overall my impression was that for autocrossers in hot climates the Hankook may work well, but given it’s shortcomings and lack of contingency I doubt Hankook will be upsetting the applecart this season. This was done using the test course at the SCCA Dixie National Tour and again used my 92 Miata: David Hankook | 29.71 | 29.21 | 29.46 | Best 29.21 | Average 29.46, David BFG | 29.22 | 29.19 | 29.12 | Best 29.12 | Average 29.18. The new tires were a welcome addition to the Miata and helped Shawn earn a podium finish in Spec Miata. He set the pressures at 26 pounds for the first set of runs and immediately went hard and fast around the course to find the limits of the R888R. Not worried about wear or longevity; just the best performance & grip. The test drivers were myself and my wife Kim. Yokohama Advan A052 review Wheels | Tires ... A052 VS RE71-R - YouTube[/ame] Left is the RE71R and right is the A052. The internal structure of the R888R is very similar to the RR. Discussion. About the stickiest street tire out there, but that does come with a pretty high wear rate. Build your own custom newsletter with the content you love from Turnology, directly to your inbox, absolutely FREE! Finance avail. Yokohama ADVAN A050 tyres are R Spec tyres, designed to heat up quickly enhancing its… Fantuzzi. Regardless of the two grooves, one look at this tire and you can see it was built for dry track conditions. 902 posts. Are you guys interested in a timed track test with the R888R? 107 months. However, the rubber compound is a bit harder (100 treadwear for the R888R versus 40 treadwear for the RR). You can edit the text in this area, and change where the contact form on the right submits to, by entering edit mode using the modes on the bottom right. Let us know in the comments and Facebook. Toyo was adamant that the new tire was faster even released a suggested setup guide in 2009: http://www.tiresdirect.net/Assets/Spec_Miata_setup.pdf. I have Yokohama Advan A048's on my Exige. Good news again from Toyo: they have that covered with the Toyo Proxes R888R. I do @ 4-6 track days per year and weekend warrior street duty. 2 Next Reply Author. For the purposes of the test we decided to preheat both tires. As you can see from the picture above, there is a very distinct tread pattern which features on both tyres. That article covers the treadwear rating, which is important to understand because it is one of the significant differences (besides the tread pattern) of the Toyo Proxes RR and the Toyo Proxes R888R. “The tire was very easy to drive on,” said Shawn. Having always had the A048s fitted since new, I am considering trying the Toyos given they are a much newer design. I’ll give up a tenth of a second for that any day!”. The Yokohama ADVAN A050 is available in two basic compounds: soft and medium. Advan Neova AD08 or Fedaral 595 RS-R. We will safeguard your e-mail and only send content you request. Replacing the Advan A048, the Yokohama Advan A052 is destined to become the brand’s benchmark sports tyre. All rights reserved. The results from the autocross speak for themselves and the performance of the Toyo Proxes R888R tire — First place in the SCCA CSP class and third-fastest-time overall for the entire event, less than one-second behind! So we sent pro race car driver Pat Long to test it out for us. - Yokohama Advan A032R (1) - Yokohama Advan A048 (9) - Yokohama Advan A052 (2) - Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD08RS (14) - Yokohama Advan A050 (4) - Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD08R (37) Pirelli Track and Competition DOT tyres: - Pirelli PZero Corsa System (11) - Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (2) - Pirelli P Zero Corsa Asimmetrico 2 (1) - Pirelli P Zero Trofeo (2) Both of these treadwear ratings indicate these tires are incredibly soft. Yokohama ADVAN A052 - Review. And now it's being replaced. Video: This 1JZ-Swapped Lexus IS300 Is A Budget Track Beast, Camber: What Is It And How Can It Make You Faster, The Pros And Cons Of A Sequential Gearbox, The Appeal of Pushrod Suspension: Why and Why Not. Though they weren’t heating up quite as quickly as I thought they would, I dropped the pressures to 24 pounds, and they really came alive. Visit https://www.specr.ca/ for your wheel and tire needs in the Calgary area! Both drivers reported the Toyo to be somewhat muddy and required a good degree of learning to execute fast laps. You say you want to run a sub-two-minute lap around Buttonwillow Raceway? On the RR, we earned a podium finish in a Spec Miata road race at MIR. Shawn Brereton was our wheelman for this event, and he found the tires very predictable. Design. The Toyos performed flawlessly and allowed our hot shoe driver, Shawn Brereton, to throw his Mazda Miata around some racecourses with reckless abandon. Save 1 % From £90.58 INC VAT From £75.48 EX VAT. We bolted on a sticker set of Toyo Proxes R888Rs to the workhorse Miata, torqued the wheels, set the tire pressures, and headed out to destroy some tarmac. Yokohama Advan Neovo AD08R The R888s only come in 40 profile rather than the standard 45 which equates to a 25mm reduction in OD. Con ADVAN A052 gli appassionati della guida sportiva trovano un prodotto d’avanguardia, dotato delle più moderne tecnologie mutuate dagli pneumatici racing Yokohama sviluppati per campionati internazionali nei quali le performance dei componenti devono essere ai massimi livelli.Yokohama ha infatti trasposto negli pneumatici sportivi di serie le competenze acquisite … Road noise and ride comfort are compromised much more by the very stiff setup I have than the tires, in my opinion.
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